Curse

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

No need to flame, bloodrose. Tone it down or this might get locked. :-S

If ANet had a problem with bandwidth and such, they'd definetely be working a much different system. At $50 a chapter, they shouldn't be too badly set. Especially w/ the supposed backing of their parent company, which is a huge worldwide enterprise.

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

A lot of peolpe get fed up with the current support system at play in GW though. You have a valid issue, or concern and instead of having a direct route with which to even email the concern to be address (even a bug for example); we are told to go post it in the fan forums.
Once there, and once the issue is posted, it is subjected to fanboism and constant ANet worshipers that believe Anet can do no wrong.
When those two catagories do not fit the bill, it's the worst ones that claim "since they haven't seen a problem; it must be the person with the complaint", and therefore the world revolves around them and all must copy and adapt to their way of playing.
After awhile, the point and complaint is lost within the deep levels of crap and the player with a valid issue gives up.
Anet devs then must dig through mountains of garbage in hopes of finding said issues.
Sometimes, players can't even find like issues that someone else may have already posted; simply because the above people without the issue or have not seen/experienced the issue ramble on like a god without a point, other than to shoot down or derail real issues. This results in new posts and threads opening up on similar issues... and always complaints for the thread being once again opened... so more crap piled on.
Take this thread for example. It asks "Is anyone else bored?". It's a simple topic and simple question. The OP was probably looking for like minded people possibly to brain storm new ideals or even build up a list of things to forward as suggestions to Anet, so that like minded people could work together. - Instead, it turns into a flame war because non-like minded people feel the need to tell others how to play the game, go play something else or even just give up and leave.

So I sympathise with bloodrose; I too get sick and tired of the fanboism, the "go play something else" crowd and the worst "You're not playing it the right way" (in other words "your not playing it like me or following the current FotM). Valid issues and concerns may not be valid to everyone. If you don't agree with a thread, ignore it. If enough people with like problems chime in, then it's obvious an issue needing addressing. If not enough people chime in, then the thread will simply die off from lack of like minded people.

In close, yep. Game's pretty boring right now. Nothing to do but chase AI flee-bots around or farm. Yep, you can farm still. No rescent changes to the AI have stopped farming for any of my builds. I just finished farming Djinn for an hour. Don't like farming, it's dull... but it's more fun than chasing flee-bots... I haven't even finished the game, can't bring myself to play that long anymore... fun is gone.

Just my opinion, and I'll leave it at that.

The Great Al · Nov 12, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I don't farm anymore because the economy is dead. The mods don't even matter anymore, and there's so few rare skins that actually go for a lot of money, that it's not worth it. I like my grotto 15k armor better than any of the FOW, so what is there to even buy, especially as a caster?

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Yes, but I don't dislike fanboys nearly as much as i absolutly loath fanboys which are actually fanboy wannabe's and just sit on these forums and rant all day. At least the ranters are here for a purpose...

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

But again, there is no point of talking about this, Anet will do nothing, they have my 100 bucks and they're happy with that

Myria · Nov 12, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by The Bloodrose

So you're basically saying Anet wants us to buy the new expansions, to shell out the $60 every 6 months to play when they want us to play, not when we want to play. Is it just me or did you ever think of that comment before you typed it?

I'm saying that Anet/NCSoft, like any other entity, acts in it's own percieved self interest -- a basic fact of human psychology and group dynamics that oddly seems to wholly escape most. Arguably Anet's best interests are not to serve the needs of the 'hardcore', as they use a disproportionate percentage of resources per unit sold. Arguably it would be better for their bottom line if they discouraged hardcore players, as long as in doing so they didn't depress overall sales. All of which potentially explains the direction things are taking and some of the upset resulting.

Is that really that hard to grasp?!?

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

No, but its dissapointing to accept as a reality

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 11:04 PM // 23:04

It's also a backwards way of thinking; unless Anet is trying to make GW into a fantasy CS or Quake.
Casual players, or "fairweather fans" will purchase to try out the game, then find something else that catches their eye and never return. Something the fanboys, flamers and "play like me or leave" crowd seem to want eveyone else to be. Why is beyond me, but it's always the same junk, "go play something else", "go play WoW", "this isn't the game for you" or whatever else is the favored insult or toss off of the month.
The hardcore players, those that have purchased more character slots, purchased several copies for different accounts.. those are the players that care and will ride the rough spots as long as the game holds towards being fun and entertaining.
Once the game stops being fun (as it has now); all the other glaring issues become more apparent and people become more vocal... we can see even many of the fanboys are spending more time in the forums than in game these days. They would never admit it, but that's a good sign they are growing bored as well... cause we all know, if we are having fun, we are playing the game... not discussing issues with the game.
I would take a simple guess, that if Anet were to fix the AI to a state that is fun again, many of us here would stop visiting as often as we would be tied up in game adventuring, farming or whatever floats the boat.

natuxatu · Nov 12, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

If you're bored you don't have to play. It isn't any more complicated unless you chose to make it so.

I want you to have fun and if Guild Wars isn't fun, please play something else and enjoy yourself.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Yes, but I don't dislike fanboys nearly as much as i absolutly loath fanboys which are actually fanboy wannabe's and just sit on these forums and rant all day. At least the ranters are here for a purpose...

That's funny considering it's not "fanboys" who "sit on these forums and rant all day" it's the complainers. And why shouldnt "fanboys" be here on the forums? Afterall, it's a fansite.

Blackhawk · Nov 12, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Well I'm bored with it, and its all very well people saying go max a title or something, but a lot of these cost in-game money, and the fact that theres no real way of farming to make money now other than pissing about chasing runaway mobs for hours on end for little or no reward kind of defeats the object of it.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Your logic is faulted. Yes, technically there are things to do but that is not the point, i can run around like an idiot in circles repeating things I have done a million times, but there is no point to that. Do you understand?

And if its worthless to you why aren't you playing your game with endless possibilities and stop spewing this nonsense on this thread.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

If I come off as angered I'm sorry, I'm not particulalry angered at anyone here, it's more Anet's fault.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

I'm not trying to be mean or flame or anything but if you guys are so pissed off, it really is time to take a break. Really, think about it. You're getting angry because you're bored of a game?

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Natuxatu was pronounced braindead 20 seconds ago when he neglected to read the entire 2 pages he missed posting on and left some random tidbit that nobody cares about anymore just to spurr arguments! Further bulletins as events warrent!

On the other hand, I think I'll just sit here now and agree with lacasner. He's got the right idea.

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

It didn't suddenly become boring from it's end. If you argue the AI, well it's not the first change and certainly wont be the last to an ever changing game...

This is the first AI change that has made the game an utter bore though. The first AoE change was not popular cause it hurt an entire class... however, it was still a fun game to play.

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

Nevermind I let this topic go on it's pointless rant... to hard to argue posts that have no point. Boring.. don't play.. not any more complicated unless you chose to make it so.

Part of the problem is that you felt the need to argue. You didn't agree with the topic, however you felt the need to enter it and argue opinions. Of course there is no way to argue an opinion. You will, nor will anyone (including myself) ever alter someone elses opinion. Thinking anyone has that ability is part of why the support system we have is so flawed.
OP was looking for like minded people to talk with, not for someone to further annoy them by arguing.
Further, you tell the players who just paid $50 or more for the game to not play anymore if they are bored, yet we have no way to get that $50 returned. This change took effect days after the games release, thus making that $50 hardly worth a value it is capable of.

No, the players should not leave nor stop voicing their concerns. In fact, we should be looking for a more direct way to contact Anet to voice these issues so they don't get buried in the "un-needed arguments" and other toss offs concerned players keep having to hear.

Simply said, once Anet fixes the AI and makes the game fun again (from all perspectives of long term play); then players will weather and hang on through the bugs and lack of standard online rpg things: such as auction houses, ability to alter appearance, lfg system... and more.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Although, surely I am 100% positive this AI change you speak of (to revert it back to how it was) is at least to me a minor issue, I am looking at a broader perspective at the entire state of the game.

WasAGuest · Nov 12, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Although, surely I am 100% positive this AI change you speak of (to revert it back to how it was) is at least to me a minor issue, I am looking at a broader perspective at the entire state of the game.

As am I, but at least it's a start.

w00t! · Nov 12, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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